Dave Etler:  [00:00:00]Welcome back to the short coat podcast, production of the university of Iowa Carver college of medicine. I’m Dave Etler. With me today in the studio to talk about something very, very, very, very, very, very serious is  Annie REM Pell. Hi informer receivers is back. What up, what up and would you look at that?

It’s Eric Bozart. Hey guys. And finally it’s Sophia Williams Perez or Sophie Williams Perez our time making up her mind. We’ll go with Sophie today. Okay, Sophie, I’m glad to have you all here today. On this solemn occasion you’ve probably heard. At this point, listeners, it’s all over the news, but yeah, who answers you’re shutting down in may.

So thank you for being here. You guys, to help me process what is probably the most horrible news of 2021 so far? I’m totally sure. I mean, you know, We had the insurrection

Annie Rempel: right off the bat.

Dave Etler: I think this is worse

Sophia Williams-Perez: personally, arguably similar scales.

Dave Etler: I’m especially glad to see you Sophia. Sophie, this is your third appearance on the show. Is that right? I’m so I’m just very happy to have you back. You guys too, I don’t want to exclude you guys, but

Sophia Williams-Perez: particularly Sophie. Yeah.

Dave Etler: As president of the SeaComm student body this past year, I will forgive you.

You’ve been it’s all a facade. I don’t mean to put, I told him behind emails. Yeah, I totally made it put you on the spot. What’s it like to lead a bunch of medical studies? I,

Sophia Williams-Perez: the phrase that comes to mind is herding cats. I’m not surprised. I’m just kidding, but it’s been fun. Normally at like any given year, I would have anticipated certain things to happen, but obviously with what has ensued with the pandemic last year.

Yeah. You were all

Dave Etler: like last year, you’re all like, yeah. I’m student body, president

Annie Rempel: charity auction. Yeah. Holiday fees. None of it. Instead you’ll be doing these things. Lots of emails, apologizing, buddy. Her emails are very graceful. Well crafted.

Sophia Williams-Perez: I appreciate it. I read them only 87 times, and then I still noticed a typo.

Okay. That is

Dave Etler: humbling. Worst mass emailing is the worst. Every once in a while, I have to send out a mass email to the entire university announcing something that we’re doing, like, you know, our conference. Yay. And invariably, I screw it up. I’m sweating for you. I will screw it. I will screw up regular emails as well.

So

Eric Boeshart: that doesn’t. It happened to just like that happens to me on a daily basis. Like, it doesn’t matter who that’s gone to. I’m like, God, I have to ask my fiance. Like, can you read over this for me?

Annie Rempel: Yeah.

Dave Etler: Kate and I are always showing each other our emails to verify that they’re not ridiculous. I mean, it doesn’t matter.

We all screw them up. Yeah. So, well, good job. The past year keeping up, keeping up your smiling mask while you dealt with it. With all that. We’ve got some listener feedback from Shea wrote into the shortcuts@gmail.com about our last episode in which we discussed the possible alternate paths for students who are unfortunate, if not to match.

And she says, or he is Shay. I’m not sure. I think it’s either. Or they say, thanks for bringing to attention. The alternative options that med students can take. If they don’t match. I completely agree that people should have other avenues and that knowing there are backup options could be a relief for med students going through the awful process of not matching.

I heard Holly’s dissent about the lack of training and her concern for family members who could potentially be treated by these quote associate MDs. Does she know ARN PS practice independently? Is she aware of what training they have pointed question? Of course, psych being my specialty, how they should know that it’s really, it’s actually really competitive and there aren’t a lot of unfilled spots.

In fact, there are only three unfilled positions in the whole country, and those were at a new program. that was actually not NRMP eligible for the match so effectively there were zero unfilled spots. Just my fact checking for the day. Thanks for bringing this topic to light. You are so welcome, Shea.

Thank you. Thank you for sending your feedback. I appreciate that. Any quick comments about

Marisa Evers: that? I don’t think that not matching should be an option. Yeah. That’s my

Annie Rempel: 2 cents.

Eric Boeshart: It doesn’t kind of

Dave Etler: crazy. Yeah. I mean, , like I said, in the last show, the whole discussion was about me, you know, sort of feeling terrible.

You know, for people who had to go through, you know, like match and then soap and then have it not work out, and then you have to do it again next year. And you know, all the problems associate go back to,  episode three 61 last week show, and you can listen to my soap box, my ideas, my ideas, I’m putting quotes around the word ideas.

But yeah So, thanks for sending your thanks for sending your feedback. I really do appreciate it. Here’s a listener question from Victoria. Victoria says, first, I want to thank you for your continued efforts to provide inspiration information and guidance to pre-med and current medical students.

Thank you for highlighting our intro  . I have been a listener for the last few years and look forward to a new episode every week. Thank you. Secondly, I am wondering if any, CCOM students are in the MD/JD combined degree program. If so, what made you decide to pursue this program?

What has been your experience so far? Would you recommend it to a person who wants to pursue medicine, but has a passion for health policymaking too? What are your plans? Post-graduation how will you use these degrees? So many questions that we can’t answer because it’s been years since we’ve had an MD/JD student Victoria, I checked and I don’t even know.

We don’t even remember how long it’s been. We have this option, but nobody’s taken us up on it. But co-host AGA Chowdhury looked into it for us and he had some thoughts. I didn’t know. What, what do you [00:06:00] guys think is, is MD/JD a health policy? Making, I mean,

Marisa Evers: the only we were talking about this before, the only person we know who is MD/JD is Dr.

Thompson, and she did JD and then came into med school and it seemed like, , A roundabout way to get to where she wanted to be, but you can do health policy without having to do the JD. It’s just, I guess, a personal preference of how long do you want your schooling to

Sophia Williams-Perez: take? Yeah. Right. And like what your health policy Avenue wants to be

Dave Etler: health policy.

It’s a big, yeah,

Sophia Williams-Perez: it depends on like what your ultimate goal is with health policy. Like if you wanted to be more and maybe legislation, you know, like formally in legislation, whether that’s state, federal national, whatever it is. The JD might help because then you have some of that background information, you’ve taken the classes, you know, the nuances about like how things occur on those given levels.

But if it’s more like a local or do you want it to be in like organized medicine or things like that, I would think an MPH could get you to where you want to go, because there’s the AMA and there’s other places like that that facilitate plenty of physicians that just have an MD or. Have masters of some sorts rather than JDS that I know of.

Yeah.

Eric Boeshart: It seems kind of crazy too. Cause like a, if you choose to go down that route, you don’t really, you would have to eventually probably pick one or the other. It would seem like, I feel like it’d be hard to be a practicing lawyer and. Practicing physician. Like it just seems, I don’t know, kind . Of racks my brain a little bit.

Dave Etler: AJ Chowdhury looked into it for us. And he says, yeah, it’s a very small program that requires you to fill out a very specific niche. There’s not much overlap between the two and assuming the MD is first in your priorities, you don’t need a JD for many of the legal and policy tasks an MD can do.

Like being an expert witness or consulting in biotech for pharma. Hospital administrator may be, but you’d probably be better served with an MBA. He of course had problems with the financial issues of being a JD and an MD. He says it’s the worst financial choice because you’re adding on three more years of debt and opportunity costs.

As you lose three years of top end physician income. Law’s going to make you less money. So if that’s important to you and it’s a good idea to do things like get involved in advocacy or policy  in his estimation before choosing to apply to a dual degree. Just because it’s so financially,  , and time intensive with not a lot of payoff, unless you have really good reasons and really understand , why you’re doing this.

So

Eric Boeshart: if can I ask a question real quick? Yeah. Did, so when ADA was looking at that, did, did he say that. People who would. Pursue an M D J D that , they would potentially more likely be going. Like they could do like expert, witness type stuff. I’m thinking, I’m just thinking, because , I’m a Minnesota native.

And so I’m obviously following the Derek coven trial right now. And they’re talking about all that testimony, like from, you know, it sounds like pulmonary care experts and things like that. I’m just trying to figure out, like I was thinking in the car ride over today. Like , . How does a person get to that point as a physician?

Like, does someone have to approach me to ask me to, Hey, you, will you testify in court? Yeah. Obviously you have to be,

Dave Etler: it’s a good question. He didn’t, he didn’t he didn’t tell me that. I didn’t think of asking that. But I would imagine that. Yeah. Do you guys know anything? Do you, have you guys heard anything about this?

I would just imagine that, you know, your, your publications  , would play into that. , my guess is it’s something that you, I don’t know if you just decide to  become an expert witness or it just sort of happens to you. Like, so I have no idea.

I

had

Marisa Evers: a

professor in college

who was a psychologist and they were a forensic psychologist.

So like, they, they were like specific for like an expert witness and stuff, but it was just something, I was like, they threw publications and then kind of got involved in it, just like it kept going. And they just like, yeah. Get hired as an expert witness in a lot

Sophia Williams-Perez: of things. Yeah. I

Annie Rempel: think same goes for forensic pathologist and they just have it.

I mean, just, they have an MD and are very routinely called to be expert witnesses for cases they’ve done autopsies for

Dave Etler: so clearly more likely to be an expert witness if you’re a forensic, whatever. Yeah. Right. That makes sense. Forensic

Annie Rempel: lawyer

I mean, you

Dave Etler: know, you laugh with however you want

at whatever you want. That’s what we’re all about. And the show you do you it sounds like we’re leaning towards masters of public health for health policy though, as a easier slash more what’s the word I’m looking for? Easier, more accessible, more accessible, more universally efficient and efficient.

Yeah. But JD, you know, if you want to do MTJ, JD, your, your options are somewhat more focused. Specialized. Yeah. So but good luck. I’d like to hear more about that. I confess I don’t know much about it, so I hope we helped. It’d be interesting to hear every show. Okay. Well,

Eric Boeshart: are we going to there? Yeah. Oh, I was just gonna say, I’d be interested to hear plans, like what that person plans, like, what, how they view that J D being used.

Dave Etler: Yeah. Well, yeah, I’d like to, I’d like to know more about what can we do. It’s not like I couldn’t have invited her on the show and ever asked a question.

In honor, of our old friend, Yahoo answers the saddest place on the internet. Let’s give you some exposure to the ideas and concerns of your potential future patients. Today, I have selected some favorites that we’ve had on the show in the past, and I’ve picked a couple of new ones.

So let’s see what you guys can make of these questions. Maybe give some advice, maybe we’ll learn something. I think it will be you people who teach something, but, and not these people, but yeah, we’ll, we’ll, we’ll figure it out. So let’s start with our first one. We have this old favorite from somebody with concerns about [00:12:00] hygiene.

  . So my armpits

Annie Rempel: smell at first, it was my left and it smelled like melted butter and was always itchy.

Dave Etler: Now it’s just my right armpit that smells

Annie Rempel: like melted butter and is always itchy. What’s going on?

Dave Etler: Are you putting melted butter in

Annie Rempel: that’s the first question I think

Marisa Evers: about also if your boo smells like melted butter,

Dave Etler: Yeah, my armpits smell like cinnamon rolls. When the

Annie Rempel: movie theater popcorn, there’s

Dave Etler: an undercurrent for me. There’s an undercurrent of sort of a urinary smell to a movie theater popcorn. I don’t know. I don’t know if that’s,

Annie Rempel: where are you going? It’s not enough to make me not

Dave Etler: eat.

Annie Rempel: So they take the popcorn,

Sophia Williams-Perez: you know, like behind the wall and then they come back out and hand it to you.

Dave Etler: come on. Haven’t you ever been like, you know, you just pick it and you’re like, Well, it’s

Annie Rempel: not bad.

Sophia Williams-Perez: I’m trying to think of, you know, the 8.8 million last times I peed. I can’t, I can’t draw.

Dave Etler: Did you know that? No matter how large a mammal you are, it always takes one minute to peak. So you can be an elephant and you will still pee one minute. I find that hard to believe. It’s true science. I believe it was say no time

Annie Rempel: myself.

I

Dave Etler: have. It’s pretty cool. About a minute. It’s pretty close.

Eric Boeshart: You just have a chalkboard in your bathroom. Just kind of like

Sophia Williams-Perez: last minute, minute and a second. Yeah, I

Dave Etler: go in, there’s like a chess clock in the back of the toilet. I just hit it. I count Eric. I can count a secret. Okay. Yeah. I

Annie Rempel: wonder if elephants get BPH benign prostatic hyperplasia.

Dave Etler: Is that like a big prostate? Yeah. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. Getting good at this.

Annie Rempel: I feel like that might spread out the minute. What

Dave Etler: are the symptoms of curiosity? 50 year olds, 50 year old,

Annie Rempel: man here. You’re asking for a friend asking for a friend. What

Dave Etler: are the symptoms of blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That big, big process,

Marisa Evers: hesitancy frequency hesitancY.

It can mean that you’re going more often because you’re struggling to empty your bladder when you do

Dave Etler: go.

I’m a firm believer in always being prepared for anything. So I was happy to discuss this one a while. If you wouldn’t a partner are stuck in

Annie Rempel: the desert with no water, any fluids or nutrition. And your partner is deathly constipated, like about to die. You are a male, would it be the correct course of action to pee in their butthole?

If you had no other

Dave Etler: devices to collect the fluid and scored it in this

Annie Rempel: manner, why are you going to knock them out? Right. They’re dying

Marisa Evers: apparently in the desert and your, and your solution is to give them an animal with your yard.

Annie Rempel: I’d go find a cactus. Uh You know, aloe Vera type

Yeah, but they said

Marisa Evers: no options, no options available. The only liquid you have is their urine, but their solution is to pee in someone else’s butt

Dave Etler: hole that Annie, I mean, that’s, it’s a good solution. I think the problem is that you don’t, you don’t have a,  device that you can use to put it where it needs to go.

Other than right. Other than drinking, the cactus keeps and then peeing in at somebody. But

Annie Rempel: we are in a bad situation. I think, I think you’re

Sophia Williams-Perez: really tied our hands with this question.

Dave Etler: I wonder if that was part of it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Eric Boeshart: So, I mean, the big question is, is there any nutrition, I guess first, first things first, is there a nutritional value in your

Dave Etler: state? What does that have to do with it?

You’re putting it in their butthole.

Annie Rempel: The issue is the constipation plus lack of. Water and any other

Sophia Williams-Perez: material,

Marisa Evers: probably constipated, because you’re not, you’ve already taken all of the liquid you possibly can right

Sophia Williams-Perez: out of you. Right. And like how long have they been in the desert? So like how long have they, are they truly constipated or have they just not been eating and they have nothing to pass, but you still can pass things.

Marisa Evers: Some

Annie Rempel: like

Sophia Williams-Perez: what’s our mucus contact.

Annie Rempel: Yeah,

Marisa Evers: I never stopped discuss.

Annie Rempel: Okay, wait, can we just confirm these are these I’ve been asked to answer. Yes.

Dave Etler: People have these questions. People have these questions and they go to Yahoo answers. They, well, they now they can’t go to Yahoo answers. Wiki

Marisa Evers: answers will be the new Yahoo

Dave Etler: answer Cora or something.

Yeah. I did I confess, I did look at Quora just to meet, just to reassure myself. I feel a little better, but the, the, the questions are a little bit more, I don’t know. Anyway. Point is I’m I’m. Yes. I’m personally having a difficult time, figuring out a reason to pee in somebody bought a whole medically.

I don’t want to rule out other reasons.

Annie Rempel: I, yeah. I don’t think it would accomplish what you had and then you lose that fluid and then, you know,

Sophia Williams-Perez: goodbye. Yeah. What if you had to drain the urine later, if you get dehydrated,

Dave Etler: if they’re constipated. Okay. So deathly constipated. That’s also kales.

Marisa Evers: I forgot what the depth, so there’s obstipation happening.

Yes. They’re not passing gas as well. They have a bowel obstruction,

Annie Rempel: so

Marisa Evers: is going to fines from the

Sophia Williams-Perez: cactus and just do an X lab. Look at that.

Annie Rempel: What’s the next lab

[00:18:00] Sophia Williams-Perez: and exploratory laparotomy kind of from that

Annie Rempel: sounds,

Dave Etler: that sounds

Marisa Evers: okay. Very sterile in the desk. I’m not going to,

Dave Etler: I’m not going to advocate for this, but the next person I read about, who’s done an X lap with a cactus spine in the desert.

I’m going to be damn impressed. That’s right up there with the guy who did surgery on himself in the Arctic. You know what I’m saying? Yeah. Or in the Antarctic anyway. Okay. It’s a great question. Thank you. Yeah. Who answers? Let’s look at the next one. You know not a small number of our Yahoo answers discussions over the years.

We’re about pranks by alleged friends. So here’s a new example. My friend played a prank on me and put Windex and my

Marisa Evers: Gatorade in my stomach kind of hurts. Should I make myself out? Make a couple of times.

Dave Etler: Or what, why do, why do our friends do this to us? You know, my friend is always, my friends are always putting Windex in my, Hmm.

Is this a message? This is a message. Your friend is trying to tell

Annie Rempel: you. They’re

Marisa Evers: just trying to give you ethylene glycol poisoning. Or

Sophia Williams-Perez: maybe they saw a big fat Greek wedding. I was thinking that, what have you ever seen that? It’s like, they put Windex on everything if you’re, if you’re sick, but Windex on it, if it’s something sturdy, put Windex on it, right?

Yeah.

Marisa Evers: Our toxicologists would say, please don’t do that.

Dave Etler: Yeah. Let’s, let’s, let’s be clear for our listeners to not, we don’t advocate. I mean, we don’t have a kid, a lot of things that we’re talking about. We don’t certainly don’t advocate. Cactus spine X labs, and we don’t advocate pudding, Windex. We don’t advocate friends, especially putting Windex in there.

I mean, if you want to do it yourself I still don’t recommend it. But  friends, shouldn’t Windex each other. That’d be the new tide pod. This

Annie Rempel: is ground zero.

Dave Etler: Terrible idea. Yeah, you should make yourself vomit probably or, Oh, how about call poison control center? Yeah, definitely call poison control.

That’s step one. I think probably step two is yeah, probably make yourself vomit. That’s fine. Right. Well,

Annie Rempel: where they drink? Like, did they take a sip? And they’re like, Oh, this tastes gross. Like how much did they consume? I’d want to know that.

Marisa Evers: I mean, you probably. Give them some IV fluids anyways, like you don’t want to

Dave Etler: vomit.

Okay. So you don’t want to my understanding of, , vomiting after consuming something poison you. Don’t definitely don’t want to vomit. If it’s corrosive, then you’ve got another issue. Yeah. Your esophagus already had enough problems on the way down. You don’t need to make it worse on the way up.

Yeah. So I’ve always, I feel like that’s, when they say don’t induce vomiting, you think? Yeah.

Sophia Williams-Perez: What’s the active ingredient in Windex. So definitely the self language. I know

Marisa Evers: that I was on a toxicology rotation. I talked about the toxic alcohols.

Dave Etler: So definitely glycol. That’s not the stuff in Antifa.

Annie Rempel: It is.

Marisa Evers: Yeah, it is. Yeah. So like Windex has. Different things within it. And like ethylene glycol is one of them. I’m pretty sure. Yeah. And then, so like that can cause you to have some like metabolic abnormalities so you can get an acidosis that can happen. And that’s like, there’s an acronym called mud piles and it talks about like an eye on gap, metabolic acidosis.

Dave Etler: Okay. I thought we were, that we were getting back to the cactus anus.

Windex. And you can have some mud piles,

Marisa Evers: actually just a spa that we’re sending them to.

Annie Rempel: Very bizarre.

Dave Etler: Okay. Well, see, we did learn something. I did learn something today. Appreciate that. All right. Here’s another one. We can discuss there’s another oldie about the spread of. Insect borne diseases, a fly hit the inside of my lip earlier.

Can I get a disease or something? Put was feet away and may have gone on it. I wiped my lip right after with my shirt, please help I’m freaking out. I remember liking this one mostly because of the voice and it says poop was feet away. I mean, this can happen to any of us really. It’s really not.

A weird question in the sense that, , it’s not like, , butter pits or . Friends feeding us, Windex. This is a real thing that can happen. And then you might be concerned about, what would you say to a patient who expressed this concern? And it was like, doc poop was feet away from this fly.

In my mouth. I’m

Annie Rempel: so sorry. This happened

first and foremost.

Dave Etler: Show your compassion. I like it.

Annie Rempel: Can you tell me more?

Dave Etler: I can’t speed away. Come on. I’ve told you, I’ve told you everything you need to know poop was feet away. It was right there.

Annie Rempel: I mean, the amount of like fecal matter, that’s being transferred on a little feet of a fly is probably pretty darn small, but you know, monitor your symptoms.

I’d say stay hydrated, you know, like

Dave Etler: under your symptoms. That’s what I always say to my watching race. That’s what I always used to say to my children when they’re like, I have a stomach ache and I’m like, well, let’s, we’ll, we’ll Keep an eye on it. See what happens. I could be a doctor. I really could.

All right. Let’s see. This one, you guys are ambitious. So this previously aired question might hit a nerve for you in a couple of different ways.

Annie Rempel: Years old, never been to college. Will I get a job, putting people to sleep for surgery and get paid for it from next month? I never done it before. I will ring hospitals in my city tomorrow.

They will let me put people to sleep in theater,

calling hospitals, she’s doing the right thing. She’s asking the question. She’s calling

Dave Etler: hospitals tomorrow.

Annie Rempel: To ask if it was all fields that call,

Dave Etler: I love this [00:24:00] idea because it like, okay, so

Annie Rempel: this question, clearly this person,

Dave Etler: this question occurred to this person moments ago. Right. And they were like, I could put people to sleep. Yeah. Anybody can do that.

Annie Rempel: I’m going to call hospitals tomorrow. I

Sophia Williams-Perez: want to know how she’s going to do it was just like slug them.

She knows that it’s usually done via medication and she just takes

Marisa Evers: her rag.

Annie Rempel: How hard could it be? You’re just good people

Dave Etler: sleep

Annie Rempel: anyway. Yeah.

sounds like a, would be serial killer

Eric Boeshart: or those people that gets away like in person, I think a doctor.

Annie Rempel: I just need practice.

Dave Etler: That’s an interesting theory. Like this person is a serial killer who is looking for an outlet for his or her destructive urges doctor. Oh my God. I mean, yeah, it’s, that’s actually really good.

I mean, you know, like you could be a psychopath. I dunno if that’s the proper term for a serial killer, but let’s just say it as you can be a psychopath. And channel , your bad desires into something good. And that’s what this person is doing.

Eric Boeshart: It’s like, they’re asking permission. Like, can I try? Yeah.

Marisa Evers: The worst they can say is no,

Annie Rempel: don’t move on to the next hospital.

Dave Etler: Do you know hospitals in my city, one of them is going to . Surely, you know, you miss a hundred percent of the shots you don’t take. It’s like dating.

Annie Rempel: Oh

Dave Etler: man. Oh my gosh.  Actually, I’m going to put this on my list of questions that patients should ask before surgery. When was the last time you hired somebody off the street to put me to sleep because they called you one day and you were like, Oh shit. Yeah.

We’re our anesthesiologist is late today and we have somebody that needs to be put to sleep right now. Actually, here’s another question just occurred to me. Are they applying for euthanasia? Do they think like, like, like pets, you.

Annie Rempel: You still

Marisa Evers: have to go to like some sort of schooling for that.

Annie Rempel: Just putting them

Dave Etler: to

Annie Rempel: sleep,

Dave Etler: going off to a nice

Annie Rempel: rest.

The long nap,

Dave Etler: the long, long dirt nap,

Marisa Evers: the farm

Sophia Williams-Perez: always made that joke about

Annie Rempel: Jasmine. Did you lose a pet now? She’s living. She’s good. Why is your mom on the

Dave Etler: carpet? She’s the oldest kitty cat. I assumed it was cat 18. I assumed she was a cat. She has a cat. I don’t know what I’m asking. I don’t know what I’m going to do when my cat gets old.

I’ve only been she’s she’s only probably we think a couple of years old. So it’s a little, it’s a little early, but we do love her. It was really early.

Annie Rempel: We’re not even thinking about it. I know.

Dave Etler: I know.

Marisa Evers: Well, most of our cats, whenever they were getting to that time would just run away and they’re like, Oh, it’s time.

Goodbye. Is

Dave Etler: that what you call that backdoor? You had indoor outdoor cat, cheaper

Marisa Evers: MCAT so that they like were allowed to like come and go as they pleased. But like, they always stayed on our property, but then our cat turned 22 and she just

Dave Etler: disappeared. Okay. Yeah. Cats do that when they’re sick, they sometimes go and hide.

Yeah. Yeah, my cat’s an indoor cat strictly because I won’t let my pretty precious. Kitty out of my sight. I don’t know

Sophia Williams-Perez: ours was just too fat. We couldn’t let her outside. Otherwise she’d get eaten

Annie Rempel: on anywhere for her life.

Dave Etler: Our cat was a stray was Australia that was picked up and, and, and and neutered and, you know, th the shelter and all that kind of stuff.

So she lived a life on the, on the main streets. And she probably had kittens at some point According to the vet. So, you know, she led a hard life, I think. Yeah. I also think she might’ve been abused by somebody  she acts weirdly in certain situations, like when I hold a broom. So I’m a little concerned about that, but she’s got a happy life now.

But yeah, I don’t want her getting out of the house. I feel like she’ll just run across Rochester and you know, the end, the end. She’s my baby.

Marisa Evers: Timothy just likes to hang out with the squirrels. His name is Timothy Timothy,

Dave Etler: Timothy

Marisa Evers: He just likes to like, look at the squirrels. So we left him outside. He’s also mentally challenged. So we kind of just let him do whatever he wants.

Dave Etler: I do wonder a little bit about Fishwick that the formal

Eric Boeshart: diagnosis mentally challenged. He got attacked

Marisa Evers: when he was a kitten and our, so our cat had kittens and Timothy was one of them.

And our dog was very selfish of attention and attack the kittens and ticket. These organs were outside, like, yeah, I found Timothy when he was like that and we rushed him to a hospital and then he had some brain injuries because of it. So he is mentally challenged,

Dave Etler: crapped my

Marisa Evers: pants. It was very sad, but he’s doing very well.

He’s very lucky, but he does strange things. Because of it where like, when he’s happy, he chews on his tongue and like, he can’t drink water. Normally he steps in his bowl and throws it in his face. It’s really cute. We let him do whatever he wants, because I think he’s our dad.

Dave Etler: She’s my baby. I don’t know what to

Annie Rempel: do now. How do we recover? I don’t know what this was

Marisa Evers: like 15 years

Annie Rempel: ago. He’s fine.

Dave Etler: Okay.

Annie Rempel: Once was a tangent of all tangents.

Marisa Evers: Remember we started with a fly peak.

Annie Rempel: We got to,

Dave Etler: I’m going to move on to the next question. No no.

All right. So there is a lot of insecurity on.

Yeah, who answers and I [00:30:00] hope that doesn’t transfer over to whatever options we have in the future. But this is, you know, this is exemplified by this person’s recent concerns that I actually think you can all relate to. And I don’t mean that you’re ugly. Oh, I gave it away. Come on. Is it possible bad sleep?

Make me ugly. I’m 16. Unfortunately for a long while I was getting maybe five hours of sleep on school nights. It did not affect my height. I’m pretty sure. And lately I’ve been able to get more sleep mainly through naps, but I feel like, look

Annie Rempel: ugly. Could that be due to the sleep? Oh my God.

Dave Etler: Lack of sleep.

Make it ugly. It can make me act

ugly.

Yes.

Marisa Evers: So

there has been

research that has shown that whatever side you sleep on, it will become more puffy in your face. So that’s actually kind of why they suggest that you like sleep on your back because it can affect where you get wrinkles on your face and like the.

Special cemetery. And that will actually affect how

Dave Etler: are you talking about when you’re a kid? No, it

Marisa Evers: can happen now. No,    I know I am a science speaker and it really upsets me cause I’m like, Oh, I’m always going to be asymmetric.

Annie Rempel: I don’t need to be ugly

Dave Etler: face, sleep, sleep person. I don’t know how to put that really, but

Eric Boeshart: we’re all just lopsided.

Can you tell which side

Dave Etler: can you guys tell which side I sleep on?

Annie Rempel: You are correct.

That was my preferred sleep side.

Marisa Evers: This can also tell which side you sleep on because it stimulates growth of your hair. Cause my hairstylist did this last time. I got my hair cut. There’s longer or longer on the side because like the wrestling, when you move your head, it stimulates hair growth. I

Dave Etler: am now going to sleep on my forehead.

I have a problem. I have a pattern about this issue. Will that work for 50 year olds? God, I hope so.

Marisa Evers: I secret doctors. Don’t

Dave Etler: do this one strange trick.

Annie Rempel: To

Dave Etler: alleviate your baldness problems. Okay. I like it. See it every time we do this

Annie Rempel: spit,

Dave Etler: I learn things. This is why we do this.

Annie Rempel: I’m an educator.

Dave Etler: I’m an educator by bringing this to you. I am an educator. All right. Here’s an old favorite. I think. Probably every one of us in this room can understand sympathize with let’s take some tingling

Annie Rempel: and pants. What is the most likely reason for this? That’s it? That’s my

Marisa Evers: question. I heard tingling with a G or tinkling tingling, piddling the nurse.

Dave Etler: I think this is something we can all relate to and Well, I’m a little surprised that this person doesn’t know what’s going on. I mean, you’ve all had it to Eric. You’ve had it.

Annie Rempel: Yeah. Lateral cutaneous

Sophia Williams-Perez: for moral nerve. Your pants are

Marisa Evers: just a little too tight. Yeah. Or your impression of a nerve. Or you

Annie Rempel: were pregnant, your pants are tingling like this. How long? Like, is it

Sophia Williams-Perez: shorts or actual like long pants? Because if it’s shorts, then you would assume it’s just like, you know, only me up, but if it’s full pants, then it could be anywhere from ankle to

Eric Boeshart: hips.

I’m just thinking of like the simplest stroke. Localization stuff. Just where do you have sensation?

Dave Etler: Whoa, Whoa, Whoa. You cannot just go past that.

Marisa Evers: An anal wink,

Annie Rempel: Wink. Yeah.

Dave Etler: I mean, I, I, I think I understand what you’re on here. I didn’t realize this

Marisa Evers: one. Yeah. So that’s like, if you have an injury, like a trauma response, that’s something that you’re going to look for. Or you can also kind of injury. Like if you had a spinal injury, they want to make sure that everything you’re having sensation and still having reflexes.

That’s also why sometimes they’ll, they’ll say if you have a finger and they have a butt hole, you need to check to make sure that the sphincter’s intact.

Dave Etler: But you can, why did they put it that way? Why do they put it that way, Marissa, by that way, if you have a finger and they have a butthole, like

Marisa Evers: everyone should be having that checked, that’s not a real thing that actually happens, but it is pretty frequent where it’s like, that is part of like a primary and secondary survey.

When you have a trauma response, you have to check if they have like their sphincter intact. We in the

Annie Rempel: desert.

Dave Etler: wow. See again, learning things.

Annie Rempel: Okay.

Eric Boeshart: Thinking you still

Dave Etler: processing dead. Always. , I will process for hours after today. All right. Next. We’ve got another hygiene related question. It’s a big topic on Yahoo answers.

Annie Rempel: What’s a good comeback

Dave Etler: for when people say taking above is dirty. I shower, but I also like taking baths because I sit down it’s relaxing and I put lavender, Epsom salt and Rose oil to relax my muscles and make it smell good.

In passing conversations, I’ve leaned on that I took above and someone will interrupt me and say, taking above is just fading in your own debt. I got embarrassed because I never thought about it like that, but technically that’s true. And everyone agreed. So I was really embarrassed and didn’t know how to respond.

Is it really bad to take above? I mean, what can I say? Because I take a lot of buffers and I don’t want people to think

Annie Rempel: on gross or something. [00:36:00] No, that’s awesome. I know

Dave Etler: this person’s like, I just want to have a nice Epsom salt Rose oil bath. It sounds lovely to make myself happy. And do it every day.

Annie Rempel: Yeah.

Can she draw me up a bath?

Marisa Evers: She just showers after she can just tell or shower or

also what you do in the bathroom is your own business.

Dave Etler: You gotta remember that

Annie Rempel: for

Sophia Williams-Perez: your friends.

Dave Etler: Yeah, no, I I’ve not taken a bath since I was a child. I think probably that’s just not a thing, Eric. You take baths. Do you, do you like, do you like S you know, maybe set some candles up and like Rose oil and Epsom salts and put on a little meat

Eric Boeshart: glass of wine. This is a cup of precession, my fiance.

And I had like,

Dave Etler: I, well, okay. I’ll bring it out. Bring it out there.

Eric Boeshart: Well, it it’s, she’s, she’s a bath person and I’m a shower person. And you know, again, just like she, like early on, she was

Annie Rempel: like

Dave Etler: calling your fiance a dirty woman.

Eric Boeshart: It’s one of those things of like, she, she tried to convert me, I guess, that not convert me, but you know, like, she’s like, Hey. Have you ever tried this? I’m like, honestly, I’m like, no, I prefer cha you know, get in, get out, get clean. But then again, I’m, I’m also the type of person that I’d take a long shower too.

So like, I kind of get the benefit if you’re just trying to like, turn your brain off, just, just shut down. Yeah.

Dave Etler: But like, I like me a long shower when I can get it. Yeah. It’s a little hard household of four people with, you know, two kids who also like to take long showers and, you know, 40 gallon, hot water tank, but that’s just, that’s just the logistics.

All right.  your

fiance convinced you to take a bath? Did you try?

Eric Boeshart: Yeah, I have, yes, it has its benefits, but I’m also. Six four and don’t fit in most bathrooms.

Annie Rempel: So it’s challenging.

Eric Boeshart: There’s logistics there that

Dave Etler: it’s long time since I’ve seen you. I forgot that you were, that you were tall.

Tall

Annie Rempel: boy. Okay. Wait, my question is though, so Erica, your house It’s your bath, tub and shower one like do, do you, do you step into that? I feel do you clean it? Do you clean it

Eric Boeshart: again,

Annie Rempel: Val? Every

Dave Etler: shower you do? No, no,

Annie Rempel: no.

Dave Etler: You’re not saying clean it after every shower. No,

Annie Rempel: no, I’m just curious. Like, I, I feel like if you had like two bathrooms or like a bath tub specifically, and then a shower that you walk into specifically, it feels like those are like separate, but I know a lot of bathtubs have a shower over it and you can kind of choose.

And I feel like that’s like, I don’t care about my own body dirt. I feel. I would be more weirded out by like, if this is

Sophia Williams-Perez: like, yeah, like right now, my drain has a little ring up ratio, Mar sessions.

Marisa Evers: Why

Annie Rempel: haven’t you cleaned that shit? Just like the last couple of days yet?

Dave Etler: We do not judge.

Marisa Evers: You’ve noticed it.

Annie Rempel: Sending emails. Okay. So many emails. Here’s the

Marisa Evers: thing. I had friends in college who were males who never cleaned their bathroom and they had mushrooms

neurotic

Annie Rempel: about it. I’m having a, an anal wink moment here.

Marisa Evers: They just have, they, I guess they didn’t know how the curtain works. I dunno, but the water would just splash out of their shower. Yeah. Onto

Annie Rempel: the

Dave Etler: ground, outside their house.

Marisa Evers: Onto their bathroom floor and mold grew and then mushrooms sprouted from that mold.

And they just

Dave Etler: never dealt with it. Some commitment to not washing your cleaning at some point.

Annie Rempel: But these were your friends.

Eric Boeshart: I’m not wanting to talk because. So it’s like a very familiar situation. So

Marisa Evers: I’m amazed and appalled at the same time of the standards that especially college age boys will live in 18 to 21 year old boys deal with,

Dave Etler: you know, some, some of us didn’t learn a lot about cleaning when we were children’s and we had, we had parents specifically moms back then we did a lot of it.

Sophia Williams-Perez: We don’t have moms.

Annie Rempel: Well, I want it to be,

Dave Etler: I want it to be a, you know a feminist when I was discussing this. Hm.

Marisa Evers: My mom is one of those neurotic people that will clean the bathrooms and shower every day. This

Dave Etler: is reminding me that I should clean the bath. Yeah, me too.

Annie Rempel: Sophie

Dave Etler: feeling very strongly. Then when I go home tonight, though, there’ll be a little bathroom cleaning.

Annie Rempel: I don’t want it, you know?

Sophia Williams-Perez: Recommend a knife or scissors in the mushrooms

Annie Rempel: are these edible

Marisa Evers: that you can, you can eat them or that you can have a psychedelic trip or you can die

Dave Etler: flame thrower. I would, I would rush

Marisa Evers: in the house.

Annie Rempel: I live in an apartment

Dave Etler: complex.  them

Marisa Evers: all share the same plumbing [00:42:00] anyways. And the mushrooms are probably in

the next 30

Sophia Williams-Perez: minutes.

Dave Etler: The thing about this is if Sophie’s apartment catches fire for no reason, for no particular reason, you’ve got one week. All right. Let’s mushrooms. All right. You know, every one of us, we, you know, we’ve already talked a little bit about poop. Every one of us poops, it’s another big deal on Yahoo answers. Let’s see what we can do for this person. What should I do help? I took a sodium phosphate enema because I was constipated and it said it should work within minutes up to an hour, but an hour went by and nothing. So I did another one.

Then half hour went by and they’ve been constantly shutting since then. I read the bottle, which I should have done first. I know, but I

Annie Rempel: didn’t. And it says can cause serious dehydration or kidney problems if taken more

Dave Etler: than one proper dosage, is that what is going

Annie Rempel: on or will I be okay please? Only serious answers.

I’m

Dave Etler: not sure we can comply with that last bit, but let’s see what we can do to help this person. One or two doses is this problem. Just

Annie Rempel: increase

Marisa Evers: your oral intake. And then if drink, drink, drink, drink a lot. And if you still are hydrated, go to the hospital.

Dave Etler: Yeah. Sodium phos. Can you, so what’s, he’s talking about an anima.

In this case, but I’ve, I’ve had the pre-surgery like drink. Is it the same shit? Coli

Marisa Evers: is right. Don’t you get that pre surgery drain?

Sophia Williams-Perez: I don’t know what the active ingredients are actually cold is like not bowel prep. It’s bowel regimen. It’d be like, just to keep stool, soft bowel movements. So Cola wouldn’t be like the stuff

Dave Etler: that you would take if you were having like intestinal surgery is what I’m talking about or like a colonoscopy you’ve got to get rid of it.

Yeah. Yeah. The go lightly is what they use her, which is not which, which is like the worst name for a product ever, because it is not true. You do not go like

Annie Rempel: heavily

Dave Etler: for a long time. It’s another respective from a 50 year old.

Yeah. Yeah. Increase your intake of water.

Marisa Evers: So GoLYTELY is sodium sulfate, sodium chloride, sodium bicarb, and potassium chloride. So

Dave Etler: potassium,

Marisa Evers: sodium, France without

Sophia Williams-Perez: fleets. What am I? Oh, perhaps it’s just showing me. I should probably brush up before

Annie Rempel: intern year. Oops.

Dave Etler: What are you going to do again? Oh,

Marisa Evers: I’m blanking.

The first thing that comes up is fleet and it goes to, Oh

Sophia Williams-Perez: yeah, you’re going to, so I knew the cactus spine. Excellent. That’s

Dave Etler: right. Should have known. Sorry, what were you saying?

Marisa Evers: The first thing that shows up is for the fleets is it just says gentle glide,

Dave Etler: gentle glide. Is that a feature of

Marisa Evers: fleets that there are still glide tip designs for maximum comfort

Annie Rempel: soft it’s flexible.

Dave Etler: It’s fair. Gliding. That sounds nice. I’m

Annie Rempel: glad right on brother.

Dave Etler: I’d rather it be that than other words,

Annie Rempel: rigid,

Dave Etler: slamming special slamming tip,

Annie Rempel: rigid wide gauge tip,

but yes, over you’re right. It is study impossible. That’s under

Dave Etler: that. That’s in another section of Amazon. Oh my God. How long have we been doing this?

Sophia Williams-Perez: dangerous.

Dave Etler: Oh my God. All right. I’ve got one more. Over the years, we’ve, as I’ve said, we’ve actually learned a few things from our discussions on Yahoo at questions. But sometimes I learn things from the answers to start. Here’s the question. Let’s see if you know. The possible diagnosis for this person who is very concerned.

I’m going to get me a better. Okay. Here we go. I have white

Annie Rempel: dots around the gland of my penis. What is this? It’s a very good

Dave Etler: question. You’ve got white dots, multiple thoughts.

Annie Rempel: Do they

Sophia Williams-Perez: ever do drops on Rose pedals?

Annie Rempel: But

Sophia Williams-Perez: then I would say good pal to hurt.

Annie Rempel: Oh, okay. Are these painful? We need to know. Are they painful

Dave Etler: or not?

No, that would have been, that would have been something I would’ve

discussed.

Yeah.

Annie Rempel: I

Sophia Williams-Perez: have painful white

dots

Annie Rempel: or. Yeah.

Dave Etler: Okay. That’s not what the answer was. You could be penis, you could have penis deaths. I’m sure that’s a thing. What’d you call it?

  Cockney.

Annie Rempel: I’m taking that out.

Dave Etler: Don’t mean to align our friends across the pond.

brilliant. Yeah, the answer that was in the th those are all probably, I mean, you know, like I’m, who am I to judge? Differentials. I don’t, I’m not a doctor, but the one that I learned about in the answers was in my mind, earns the award for the most. What the  name of a condition? Pearly penile papules.

Annie Rempel: Is that

Sophia Williams-Perez: an accident like gnosis cause it just sounds like the

Annie Rempel: description of

Dave Etler: what they look like. Yeah. There’s a description. Pearly pearly penile papules, Y

Annie Rempel: yeah.

Sophia Williams-Perez: Yeah.

Dave Etler:  Oh.

Marisa Evers: Cause all of that, there’s like the six P’s when it comes to lichen planus. Right.

Sophia Williams-Perez: Except for them it’s all purple purple in there.

Annie Rempel: Yeah. Polygonal. You can have polygonal, papules.

Dave Etler: Are they regular? Like we talking about like a regular polygon here.

Annie Rempel: Are they papules? Are they plaques?

Marisa Evers: Can it be both all I’m telling you

Dave Etler: all I’m telling you, is that the name of this particular, that, of this particular descriptive bit of, I don’t know.

What’s what’s the right word. Diagnosis. Diagnosis is not the right

Annie Rempel: word, but

But the name of this particular issue,

Dave Etler: curly, penile, [00:48:00] papules. Why was the alliteration necessary in this case? Why, why it makes it worse? Also why Purley

Annie Rempel: that’s, that’s a thing. That’s what I have an image in my head of a skin. Some other word available than purr. When you string those words together, it’s not,

Marisa Evers: I don’t like it.

Opalescent

Sophia Williams-Perez: like if it’s white or something, Milky

Like, you know, goes on that food border, but you see red.

Strawberry tongue.

Dave Etler: There is a strong tradition of food descriptors for conditions. Okay. Thank God they

Sophia Williams-Perez: haven’t reached Kit-Kat yet.

Dave Etler: If you have Kit-Kat penile,

Annie Rempel: wrong

Dave Etler: there. I, yeah, I just don’t like this particular string of words. They’re all fine on their own. I don’t know about papule papules. That’s kind of a yucky name. You guys are all used to this, but when I get exposed to these ideas, sometimes they blow my mind, like who I just want to know who was the person who thought, yeah, that’s how we’ll describe it in this gross way.

That sounds like

Annie Rempel: something a dermatologist would say those words. Maybe we’re just, we’re in it too

Sophia Williams-Perez: deep. We’re numbed.

Dave Etler: If you’ve got this problem, if you’ve got this problem or some other  do you go to the dermatologist or do you go to the urologist? They

Marisa Evers: might just send you back and forth to be honest

Annie Rempel: first, probably

Sophia Williams-Perez: go to your physician primary care, but then where would they send you if they didn’t

Marisa Evers: know how I know when I was in Durham, we had to see some genital concerns.

Sophia Williams-Perez: So it could be either. Yeah, I suppose. Yeah. It depends on characteristic. Like, does it look infectious or does it just look like a skin thing,

Dave Etler: you know, The these, this particular, which I’m not going to say again. The, the commenters thought it was a normal feature, you know, like a normal feature of. It was within normal limits.

The PPP. Did they show

Annie Rempel: up? They

Marisa Evers: did not. I was going to say, I don’t think he would upload Dick pics too. I mean, you probably can. I don’t know. I’m pretty sure I don’t want it. Where am I going to get that?

Dave Etler: And some things on Yahoo answers and in my quest it’s possible. I don’t know if they stay there, but yeah, it seemed to be that the commenters seem to think it was it.

Within normal limits this issue, but again, they didn’t ask as many penetrate. They didn’t ask as many important questions.

I caught myself

Marisa Evers: word,

Annie Rempel: Oh God, put that in the trading. No, let’s not mix

Dave Etler: that in at all. Well, that’s our show. Sophia. Marissa, Eric, Annie, thank you so much for being on the show with me today. It’s been lovely.

Annie Rempel: Thanks,

Dave Etler: Dave.

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